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	<title>Comments on: Health Care, Fiddle Sticks, and Ann Coulter (Part Three)</title>
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		<title>By: jwhitfield</title>
		<link>http://www.steamd.net/2009/09/health-care-fiddle-sticks-and-ann-coulter-part-three.html/comment-page-1#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>jwhitfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally don&#039;t want to disrupt what doctors, nurses, hospitals, and others in the industry do. I think they should all remain private industries. 

I think even pharma companies should remain private. However, I do think pharma companies need some offsets to ensure that research is properly funded and that drug trials are done by separate, non-profit labs. The issues surrounding Vioxx seem to indicate an issue with how drug trials and testing are handled. Too many ways to fudge the system.

The only area I think should change dramatically is how everyone in the industry is paid. I don&#039;t think the current private insurance industry works. I would be more happy if there was a separate, non-profit entity in charge of making sure every claim is paid. Basically, it could be a non-profit organization that is semi-regulated by the government and simply processes each claim and makes sure than none of the claims are forged or illegitimate. It&#039;s like a single-payer system except the organization itself isn&#039;t necessarily government controlled and would receive it&#039;s funding much in the same way that insurance companies receive funding now. Kind of a hybrid approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don&#8217;t want to disrupt what doctors, nurses, hospitals, and others in the industry do. I think they should all remain private industries. </p>
<p>I think even pharma companies should remain private. However, I do think pharma companies need some offsets to ensure that research is properly funded and that drug trials are done by separate, non-profit labs. The issues surrounding Vioxx seem to indicate an issue with how drug trials and testing are handled. Too many ways to fudge the system.</p>
<p>The only area I think should change dramatically is how everyone in the industry is paid. I don&#8217;t think the current private insurance industry works. I would be more happy if there was a separate, non-profit entity in charge of making sure every claim is paid. Basically, it could be a non-profit organization that is semi-regulated by the government and simply processes each claim and makes sure than none of the claims are forged or illegitimate. It&#8217;s like a single-payer system except the organization itself isn&#8217;t necessarily government controlled and would receive it&#8217;s funding much in the same way that insurance companies receive funding now. Kind of a hybrid approach.</p>
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		<title>By: bpwhistler</title>
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		<dc:creator>bpwhistler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to hear about your insurance experience.  All to typical in todays 3rd party pay program.  I could spend hours &quot;explaining&quot; the medical reasoning behind an order such as yours.  I could explain anatomy, physiology, pathology, pathophysiology, final medical standard of care.  If this really happened...usually the adjusters won&#039;t give us the time of day...the adjuster wouldn&#039;t understand or care about 99.9% and just continue with the standard denial.  Most companies have quotas that their adjusters are required to meet for bonuses.  They are incentivized to not pay unless we can prove it.  If you really want to prove it, you can sue your insurance company for non-payment.  Unless it&#039;s for a 6 figure procedure, it is not economically feasible for the insured to do this.  The insurance companies are aware of this...but are within the letter of the law by denying &quot;questionable&quot; care until we &quot;prove&quot; otherwise.  They determine what&#039;s questionable...often arbitrarily at the adjuster level...and then we have to take them to court to prove our case.  Not a very patient centered system.  It&#039;s a great for-profit corporate structure...and even being the aforementioned free-market realist that I am....but I&#039;m not really sure healthcare should be run by a for-profit governing structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear about your insurance experience.  All to typical in todays 3rd party pay program.  I could spend hours &#8220;explaining&#8221; the medical reasoning behind an order such as yours.  I could explain anatomy, physiology, pathology, pathophysiology, final medical standard of care.  If this really happened&#8230;usually the adjusters won&#8217;t give us the time of day&#8230;the adjuster wouldn&#8217;t understand or care about 99.9% and just continue with the standard denial.  Most companies have quotas that their adjusters are required to meet for bonuses.  They are incentivized to not pay unless we can prove it.  If you really want to prove it, you can sue your insurance company for non-payment.  Unless it&#8217;s for a 6 figure procedure, it is not economically feasible for the insured to do this.  The insurance companies are aware of this&#8230;but are within the letter of the law by denying &#8220;questionable&#8221; care until we &#8220;prove&#8221; otherwise.  They determine what&#8217;s questionable&#8230;often arbitrarily at the adjuster level&#8230;and then we have to take them to court to prove our case.  Not a very patient centered system.  It&#8217;s a great for-profit corporate structure&#8230;and even being the aforementioned free-market realist that I am&#8230;.but I&#8217;m not really sure healthcare should be run by a for-profit governing structure.</p>
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		<title>By: jwhitfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwhitfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh heh...student poverty. Boy, do I know what that feels like!  LOL!  My wife does too. She just finished SMU with a Juris Doctor in law. Man, nearly killed her.

When it comes to dealing with insurance companies, I know exactly what you mean. I&#039;ve had some personal experience to back it up too. I do believe that doctors, nurses, and others within the medical profession should be compensated well for what they do. But, just like you said, insurance companies aren&#039;t making it easy. 

I had hernia surgery last November and my doctor prescribed me this little medicine ball that fed pain medication intravenously into my incision after the surgery. She felt I needed it. Apparently my insurance company disagreed. They gave no real reason as to why the claim was denied and no one I talked to on the phone could figure it out either. Nine months later and I still haven&#039;t worked it out with the insurance company and now I&#039;m stuck with a $1,200 bill for something that should have already been paid for. Ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh heh&#8230;student poverty. Boy, do I know what that feels like!  LOL!  My wife does too. She just finished SMU with a Juris Doctor in law. Man, nearly killed her.</p>
<p>When it comes to dealing with insurance companies, I know exactly what you mean. I&#8217;ve had some personal experience to back it up too. I do believe that doctors, nurses, and others within the medical profession should be compensated well for what they do. But, just like you said, insurance companies aren&#8217;t making it easy. </p>
<p>I had hernia surgery last November and my doctor prescribed me this little medicine ball that fed pain medication intravenously into my incision after the surgery. She felt I needed it. Apparently my insurance company disagreed. They gave no real reason as to why the claim was denied and no one I talked to on the phone could figure it out either. Nine months later and I still haven&#8217;t worked it out with the insurance company and now I&#8217;m stuck with a $1,200 bill for something that should have already been paid for. Ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: bpwhistler</title>
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		<dc:creator>bpwhistler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jwhitfield: you are correct in assuming that the majority of doctors practice for the sake of providing care.  That doesn&#039;t mean that they don&#039;t enjoy a nice lifestyle that goes with it after all those years of student poverty.

I can&#039;t think of a physician that doesn&#039;t want sweeping changes to the healthcare system.  We all generally feel the current 3rd party pay system is definitely broken.  There ends the consensus among physicians...as similarly there ends the consensus among politicians and the general populace.  Nobody really knows what&#039;s going to happen with change...which scares all of us.  We all have are own ideas and opinions about what would be best, but the reality is that nobody really knows what will happen even if the system they so strongly endorse or oppose comes into being.

I also agree with you that the rampant greed was a major part of the breaking of the system.  The fault with this lies with all of us IN the system.  Among the healthcare profession, many of us refer to the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s as the &quot;Golden Years.&quot;  The insurance companies paid whatever was billed.  Physicians and hospitals made outlandish profits.  Then managed care and cost containment came in.  By then it was too late...the greed had taken hold and changed a healthy system into something else.  That something else is now about the insurance sectors profit margins.  It&#039;s almost impossible for physicians and hospitals to make a great living off of insurance.  Many of my primary care colleagues have retired because they really don&#039;t need to work anymore...and because insurance reimbursement has become downright painful.  The average insurance adjuster is a 36 1/2 old divorced woman with 2 children and a high school education.  I read that in one of my journals years ago...so at this point it&#039;s an opinion rather that a fact since I can&#039;t reference it.  The point being, they have these huge books that give them guidelines on whether to authorize and/or reimburse a physician for his services.  Can you imagine how frustrating it is (for both doctor and patient) when you try to convince an insurance adjuster with essentially no medical training exactly why a patient needs the prescribed service when their &quot;book&quot; tells them to deny it?  Like I mentioned earlier though...it was our own greed and dishonesty as a profession that led to these measures.  Patients should be just as angry at the hospitals and physicians of yesteryear as they are at the insurance companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jwhitfield: you are correct in assuming that the majority of doctors practice for the sake of providing care.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that they don&#8217;t enjoy a nice lifestyle that goes with it after all those years of student poverty.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of a physician that doesn&#8217;t want sweeping changes to the healthcare system.  We all generally feel the current 3rd party pay system is definitely broken.  There ends the consensus among physicians&#8230;as similarly there ends the consensus among politicians and the general populace.  Nobody really knows what&#8217;s going to happen with change&#8230;which scares all of us.  We all have are own ideas and opinions about what would be best, but the reality is that nobody really knows what will happen even if the system they so strongly endorse or oppose comes into being.</p>
<p>I also agree with you that the rampant greed was a major part of the breaking of the system.  The fault with this lies with all of us IN the system.  Among the healthcare profession, many of us refer to the 70&#8217;s and 80&#8217;s as the &#8220;Golden Years.&#8221;  The insurance companies paid whatever was billed.  Physicians and hospitals made outlandish profits.  Then managed care and cost containment came in.  By then it was too late&#8230;the greed had taken hold and changed a healthy system into something else.  That something else is now about the insurance sectors profit margins.  It&#8217;s almost impossible for physicians and hospitals to make a great living off of insurance.  Many of my primary care colleagues have retired because they really don&#8217;t need to work anymore&#8230;and because insurance reimbursement has become downright painful.  The average insurance adjuster is a 36 1/2 old divorced woman with 2 children and a high school education.  I read that in one of my journals years ago&#8230;so at this point it&#8217;s an opinion rather that a fact since I can&#8217;t reference it.  The point being, they have these huge books that give them guidelines on whether to authorize and/or reimburse a physician for his services.  Can you imagine how frustrating it is (for both doctor and patient) when you try to convince an insurance adjuster with essentially no medical training exactly why a patient needs the prescribed service when their &#8220;book&#8221; tells them to deny it?  Like I mentioned earlier though&#8230;it was our own greed and dishonesty as a profession that led to these measures.  Patients should be just as angry at the hospitals and physicians of yesteryear as they are at the insurance companies.</p>
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		<title>By: bpwhistler</title>
		<link>http://www.steamd.net/2009/09/health-care-fiddle-sticks-and-ann-coulter-part-three.html/comment-page-1#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>bpwhistler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christine...illegal immigration specifically was definitely a vast departure from the topic of healthcare reform generally.  While I personally can&#039;t quote numbers regarding direct and indirect costs to taxpayers regarding care provided to illegal immigrants, many authorities feel that the funding of healthcare for illegal immigrants places a huge stress on our healthcare dollar.  I know hospital administrators at all of the hospitals I have worked at mention it when the topic arrises.  So depending on your point of view, it directly relates to the healthcare topic.  I tend to agree with jwhitfield that I would never turn away or limit healthcare based on nationality.

With regards to you statement about it being &quot;illegal to ask.&quot;  That&#039;s not correct.  Hospitals aren&#039;t required to ask.  There is a big difference between not being required and being illegal.  Many latino healthcare advocates feel that if hospitals ask...and especially if they are required to ask...about immigration status, many latino patients will not seek care.  Because of this, many hospitals avoid asking these types of questions.

 You are correct that patients can&#039;t be denied care based on &quot;race, color, or national origin.&quot;  In my opinion, if care can&#039;t be denied based on these identifiers (which is good as far as I&#039;m concerned), why ask anyway?  Statisticians love things like that, but as a physician I don&#039;t really care.  I&#039;d rather patients came to the ER without hesitation or fear if they feel they need care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christine&#8230;illegal immigration specifically was definitely a vast departure from the topic of healthcare reform generally.  While I personally can&#8217;t quote numbers regarding direct and indirect costs to taxpayers regarding care provided to illegal immigrants, many authorities feel that the funding of healthcare for illegal immigrants places a huge stress on our healthcare dollar.  I know hospital administrators at all of the hospitals I have worked at mention it when the topic arrises.  So depending on your point of view, it directly relates to the healthcare topic.  I tend to agree with jwhitfield that I would never turn away or limit healthcare based on nationality.</p>
<p>With regards to you statement about it being &#8220;illegal to ask.&#8221;  That&#8217;s not correct.  Hospitals aren&#8217;t required to ask.  There is a big difference between not being required and being illegal.  Many latino healthcare advocates feel that if hospitals ask&#8230;and especially if they are required to ask&#8230;about immigration status, many latino patients will not seek care.  Because of this, many hospitals avoid asking these types of questions.</p>
<p> You are correct that patients can&#8217;t be denied care based on &#8220;race, color, or national origin.&#8221;  In my opinion, if care can&#8217;t be denied based on these identifiers (which is good as far as I&#8217;m concerned), why ask anyway?  Statisticians love things like that, but as a physician I don&#8217;t really care.  I&#8217;d rather patients came to the ER without hesitation or fear if they feel they need care.</p>
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		<title>By: jwhitfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwhitfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not 100% sure what Parkland&#039;s procedures are so I can&#039;t say for certain how they know exactly how many illegal immigrants they really get. I would assume that they have to fill out some paperwork and probably have some way of determining their status without directly asking, like asking if they are eligible for Medicaid. Even then, there in lies the rub. While you can certainly ask someone if they are eligible for Medicaid, that still doesn&#039;t mean you can deny them care and yet that&#039;s exactly what some people think you should do. I mean, if a woman comes in and she&#039;s in labor, what do you do? &quot;Sorry, ma&#039;am, you&#039;re not eligible to receive care. We&#039;re gonna have to ask you to leave.&quot; So, you throw a woman who is just about to have a baby out into the streets? Where&#039;s the morality in that? There has to be a better way to handle the situation in a way that is both moral and measurable. Don&#039;t exactly know how though thus the debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not 100% sure what Parkland&#8217;s procedures are so I can&#8217;t say for certain how they know exactly how many illegal immigrants they really get. I would assume that they have to fill out some paperwork and probably have some way of determining their status without directly asking, like asking if they are eligible for Medicaid. Even then, there in lies the rub. While you can certainly ask someone if they are eligible for Medicaid, that still doesn&#8217;t mean you can deny them care and yet that&#8217;s exactly what some people think you should do. I mean, if a woman comes in and she&#8217;s in labor, what do you do? &#8220;Sorry, ma&#8217;am, you&#8217;re not eligible to receive care. We&#8217;re gonna have to ask you to leave.&#8221; So, you throw a woman who is just about to have a baby out into the streets? Where&#8217;s the morality in that? There has to be a better way to handle the situation in a way that is both moral and measurable. Don&#8217;t exactly know how though thus the debate.</p>
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		<title>By: jwhitfield</title>
		<link>http://www.steamd.net/2009/09/health-care-fiddle-sticks-and-ann-coulter-part-three.html/comment-page-1#comment-770</link>
		<dc:creator>jwhitfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, good point! Yeah, I guess I consider myself more of an idealist than a realist. I think deep down people are moral and good. Greed is definitely the problem in most cases when things turn awry. Would be nice if we could live in a world with no borders or boundaries but, such as greed is, I don&#039;t think that&#039;ll ever happen. We need boundaries and limitations else, as you say, people&#039;s weakness for selfishness and greed tend to take over. 

I believe that the main reason why we&#039;re having so many problems with our economy and health care system is due to greed. I think for too long we&#039;ve allowed financial institutions and corporations too much freedom to run their industries as they see fit with very little oversight and regulation. End result? Too many people took advantage of the all the little loopholes and gamed the system for short-term profit and gain. That&#039;s why you have a system where health care costs are rising and not many people capable of affording the ever rising cost of health care insurance. 

So, yeah, I can certainly understand the battle to maintain composure in the face of an industry that cares more about terms like growth and profitability than compassion and caring. Granted, I don&#039;t actually believe the industry on a whole is like that; just a certain level of it. A few bad apples spoiling the bunch if you know what I mean. I want to believe that people primarily practice medicine to help people, not to make a bunch of money. Guess it&#039;s just the idealist in me.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, good point! Yeah, I guess I consider myself more of an idealist than a realist. I think deep down people are moral and good. Greed is definitely the problem in most cases when things turn awry. Would be nice if we could live in a world with no borders or boundaries but, such as greed is, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;ll ever happen. We need boundaries and limitations else, as you say, people&#8217;s weakness for selfishness and greed tend to take over. </p>
<p>I believe that the main reason why we&#8217;re having so many problems with our economy and health care system is due to greed. I think for too long we&#8217;ve allowed financial institutions and corporations too much freedom to run their industries as they see fit with very little oversight and regulation. End result? Too many people took advantage of the all the little loopholes and gamed the system for short-term profit and gain. That&#8217;s why you have a system where health care costs are rising and not many people capable of affording the ever rising cost of health care insurance. </p>
<p>So, yeah, I can certainly understand the battle to maintain composure in the face of an industry that cares more about terms like growth and profitability than compassion and caring. Granted, I don&#8217;t actually believe the industry on a whole is like that; just a certain level of it. A few bad apples spoiling the bunch if you know what I mean. I want to believe that people primarily practice medicine to help people, not to make a bunch of money. Guess it&#8217;s just the idealist in me.  <img src='http://www.steamd.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm... still reeling from having this turn from healthcare to immigration.  I&#039;m not going to get involved too much(let&#039;s hope) in this immigration debate at the expense of our current and most important issue at the moment... healthcare.  However, one thing stuck out more prominently than the others... the percentage of &quot;illegals&quot; giving birth at Parkland Hospital. How do they know? It&#039;s not only illegal to ask, it&#039;s illegal for a hospital to discriminate based on race, color, or national origin.  They CAN ask whether they are eligible for Medicaid.  Just because an individual is of Hispanic decent and has no insurance does NOT mean they are illegal.  There are tens of millions of WHITE Americans who are without health insurance who aren&#039;t assumed to be &quot;illegal.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm&#8230; still reeling from having this turn from healthcare to immigration.  I&#8217;m not going to get involved too much(let&#8217;s hope) in this immigration debate at the expense of our current and most important issue at the moment&#8230; healthcare.  However, one thing stuck out more prominently than the others&#8230; the percentage of &#8220;illegals&#8221; giving birth at Parkland Hospital. How do they know? It&#8217;s not only illegal to ask, it&#8217;s illegal for a hospital to discriminate based on race, color, or national origin.  They CAN ask whether they are eligible for Medicaid.  Just because an individual is of Hispanic decent and has no insurance does NOT mean they are illegal.  There are tens of millions of WHITE Americans who are without health insurance who aren&#8217;t assumed to be &#8220;illegal.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bpwhistler</title>
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		<dc:creator>bpwhistler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did forget to mention that it is a sad demonstration of the humanity of our citizenship as well as their grasp of the need for these &quot;migrant&quot; workers that they would even imagine referring to them as &quot;those damn illegal immigrants.&quot;  Growing up on a border town, we&#039;ve all heard the ugly names that all sides hurl at each other.  It&#039;s very sad and unfortunate.

The US used to have a migrant worker program.  The employer (typically farmer) would pick his workers up at the border, transport them to the work site, and then return them to the border according to the permits time frame.  Some of these were day permits.  Some were weekend permits.  Others were for the entire harvesting season.  The employer was responsible for his workers.  It wasn&#039;t a jailers job.  The workers went home at the end of the permit because there was no concern about &quot;sneaking&quot; across the border to work.  Their home was back across the border, and that&#039;s where they wanted to be.  As I remember it, illegal immigration became a huge problem only after the discontinuation of this program.  As I remember, it was discontinued because the migrant workers were &quot;taking jobs&quot; from US citizens.  The problem was...after the government discontinued the migrant worker program, US workers didn&#039;t want the back-breaking jobs the migrants had been performing.  Thus began the onslaught of the illegal alien.

As I mentioned earlier...most of the &quot;illegals&quot; I knew/know/grew up with were good people.  The stigma associated with being an &quot;illegal&quot; (or any of the other plethora of malignant euphemisms they are referred to as) is a product of our own shortsighted discontinuation of a valuable service/program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did forget to mention that it is a sad demonstration of the humanity of our citizenship as well as their grasp of the need for these &#8220;migrant&#8221; workers that they would even imagine referring to them as &#8220;those damn illegal immigrants.&#8221;  Growing up on a border town, we&#8217;ve all heard the ugly names that all sides hurl at each other.  It&#8217;s very sad and unfortunate.</p>
<p>The US used to have a migrant worker program.  The employer (typically farmer) would pick his workers up at the border, transport them to the work site, and then return them to the border according to the permits time frame.  Some of these were day permits.  Some were weekend permits.  Others were for the entire harvesting season.  The employer was responsible for his workers.  It wasn&#8217;t a jailers job.  The workers went home at the end of the permit because there was no concern about &#8220;sneaking&#8221; across the border to work.  Their home was back across the border, and that&#8217;s where they wanted to be.  As I remember it, illegal immigration became a huge problem only after the discontinuation of this program.  As I remember, it was discontinued because the migrant workers were &#8220;taking jobs&#8221; from US citizens.  The problem was&#8230;after the government discontinued the migrant worker program, US workers didn&#8217;t want the back-breaking jobs the migrants had been performing.  Thus began the onslaught of the illegal alien.</p>
<p>As I mentioned earlier&#8230;most of the &#8220;illegals&#8221; I knew/know/grew up with were good people.  The stigma associated with being an &#8220;illegal&#8221; (or any of the other plethora of malignant euphemisms they are referred to as) is a product of our own shortsighted discontinuation of a valuable service/program.</p>
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		<title>By: bpwhistler</title>
		<link>http://www.steamd.net/2009/09/health-care-fiddle-sticks-and-ann-coulter-part-three.html/comment-page-1#comment-766</link>
		<dc:creator>bpwhistler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jwhitfield: While I mentioned your &quot;response&quot; being naive, I did not intend to imply your thought process was naive.  It is clear from your articulations and thought processes that you think rationally, clearly, and completely.  To be honest...I am a complete idealist at heart.  I would like nothing better than to see a world where there are no individual borders or economies.  A world where we were interdependent and supporting.  A world where we are all equals...and all work equally.  A world where there is no &quot;class&quot; distinction of discrimination because those ideas don&#039;t exist anymore.  In other words...if you&#039;ve ever read the Communist Manifesto...I think the IDEAL world would be socialistic in nature.  

But in practice I&#039;m a harsh realist.  I don&#039;t think socialism can function to any degree in our current degree of emotional infantilism as a species.  We are selfish, greedy, and completely self serving as a majority.  Recognizing these weaknesses limits the degree to which we can realistically change society in large sweeping moves.  I support the free market system only in the sense that it seems to be the most effective system of managing our greedy nature in this current millennia.  

As a physician it physically and emotionally tortures me that we can&#039;t provide the best...not the most affordable...but the VERY best care possible to every person on the planet.  I believe...idealistically...that this should be a right of all inhabitants of this planet.  Is this realistic...not in any measure as I&#039;ve seen currently proposed or in practice around the world.  How do I reconcile this personally?  I support a system that I feel will be realistically feasible while still &quot;supporting&quot; my idealism by volunteering time to the underserved in our country, underserved countries, and disaster relief area.

So while I may throw around words like naive and idealism, I am in no sense berating people for believing in this manner.  I also am idealistic almost to the degree of being a dreamer.  I wish I could still claim a sense of naivete...however I lost that long ago as a young doctor when I saw again and again that greed and profit consistently won out over human compassion and caring.

Be well and keep up the introspective writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jwhitfield: While I mentioned your &#8220;response&#8221; being naive, I did not intend to imply your thought process was naive.  It is clear from your articulations and thought processes that you think rationally, clearly, and completely.  To be honest&#8230;I am a complete idealist at heart.  I would like nothing better than to see a world where there are no individual borders or economies.  A world where we were interdependent and supporting.  A world where we are all equals&#8230;and all work equally.  A world where there is no &#8220;class&#8221; distinction of discrimination because those ideas don&#8217;t exist anymore.  In other words&#8230;if you&#8217;ve ever read the Communist Manifesto&#8230;I think the IDEAL world would be socialistic in nature.  </p>
<p>But in practice I&#8217;m a harsh realist.  I don&#8217;t think socialism can function to any degree in our current degree of emotional infantilism as a species.  We are selfish, greedy, and completely self serving as a majority.  Recognizing these weaknesses limits the degree to which we can realistically change society in large sweeping moves.  I support the free market system only in the sense that it seems to be the most effective system of managing our greedy nature in this current millennia.  </p>
<p>As a physician it physically and emotionally tortures me that we can&#8217;t provide the best&#8230;not the most affordable&#8230;but the VERY best care possible to every person on the planet.  I believe&#8230;idealistically&#8230;that this should be a right of all inhabitants of this planet.  Is this realistic&#8230;not in any measure as I&#8217;ve seen currently proposed or in practice around the world.  How do I reconcile this personally?  I support a system that I feel will be realistically feasible while still &#8220;supporting&#8221; my idealism by volunteering time to the underserved in our country, underserved countries, and disaster relief area.</p>
<p>So while I may throw around words like naive and idealism, I am in no sense berating people for believing in this manner.  I also am idealistic almost to the degree of being a dreamer.  I wish I could still claim a sense of naivete&#8230;however I lost that long ago as a young doctor when I saw again and again that greed and profit consistently won out over human compassion and caring.</p>
<p>Be well and keep up the introspective writing.</p>
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